KI2T's Existence

[Jetta Windstar]

I strongly believe we forgot something very important when we had that little debate about there being two KITTs floating around. After reading the KR wiki for both KITTs that we forgot to take into account of the Knight Rider 2000 movie. No, it's not a popular one, but a LOT happened to KI2T in that movie. However, many think that TKR and KR2000 was disregarded in KR08. Regardless, we need to reconfigure exactly what happened, and I would like to at least consider what happened in KR2000! Whether or not KR2000 is considered, up to some year or so prior to the 08 series, KI2T STILL existed, but did in fact go offline.

As quoted on KI2T's wiki:

"Unlike KARR, KITT is programmed primarily to protect Michael and all human life at all costs. This is made clear in the pilot episode when Michael asks Devon Miles if KITT will protect anyone driving it. Devon's answer is that KITT's primary function is the preservation of human life, and Michael's in particular.

Dismantled & Reborn:

In the events of Knight Rider 2000, KITT has been dismantled and parts sold off to medical research companies. His AI system was recovered by Micheal and was installed in the dashboard of his 1957Chevy Bel-Air. KITT's A.I. was later transferred by Micheal into the Knight 4000 and promptly serve FLAG as the "new" KITT. "

The reason I bring this up is because I was talking this over with White, and she reminded me that the reason it's possible KI3T is the only model around these days is because of how they introduce KI3T with a few pans through the garage in Graiman's home. "the camera pans down. You see a plastic (black) box with the words Knight Industries 2000, then the camera continues on, shows another box, identical to the first but with the words Knight Industries 3000, then the camera points up to something under a sheet. It is revealed that what's under the sheet is KI3T." KI2T's parts were in that garage, therefore KI2T no longer exists in his own figure, and neither does KI4T, for reasons which will be examined shortly.

It can be seen from this exact footage that my reasoning was correct, that KI3T was refurbished (So to speak from the KI2T)-now, they're unclear about what happened to KI4T after Knight Rider 2000. I think the footage in Graiman's garage makes it somewhat clear as to what really happened to KI2T after Knight Rider Two Thousand. Of course, they went down in the order of the numbers: KI2T, KI4T (short lived), back to KI2T, and now to KI3T. It's possible that until Graiman came along, KI2T in KI4T's (or possibly as the transAm again) ended up being a temporary test model that was tested until the SSC was formed. Which based upon my discussions with Katt and White, is totally possible. KI2T was put into KI4T's form before KI2T went off line.

So, KI2T would have existed up until a couple years prior to 2008. Perhaps 2005, or as late as 2007. KI2T did technically go offline at one point after he was programmed into KI4T.

I believe it is possible that Graiman was able to program fragments of KI2T's conscience into KI3T, making various aspects of his personality (such as humor) into his processor, which is why KI3T can sometimes seem similar to KI2T. Yes, KI3T's bio will be updated to correspond to these updates.[/color]

[Leathurkatt]

The only issue I see (as we discussed earlier) is the fact of in the KR08 movie what we see in Graiman's garage when KI3T comes on line, KI2T's original Trans Am form partially dismantled, including his unique steering wheel with "Knight Industries 2000" with the Knight emblem and his original dash and even the blue "KNIGHT" license plate. With that being the case, and the fact that in the extra features on the KR08 DVD's there is never any mention of KR2000 and TKR, one can only conclude that the time line in this case is the 1982 series, then the 08 series; KR2000 and the TKR series "did not happen".

That being said, with KI2T retiring with Michael Knight in around the year 2000 and eventually going off line sometime say 2004-2005 as his components degraded and failed is very plausible and doable. Then KARR being rebuilt in 2005, then shut down and KITT being built in 2006 or so "In the wake of the KARR failure" as Graiman put it.

At least, that would be my view on it given the 'facts' shown in canon in the show. I'm not sure there's a way to rationalize and explain what happened to be able to include KR2000 or TKR series in a concise and logical manner given what happened in both.

[Catalyst Spark]

AKA they messed over a continuous timeline and ya'll are tryin' to make sense of it when there is hardly any sense to be made of it. the '08 series seems to totally ignore the TKR series, technically the Knight Rider 2000 movie would be considered 'alternative universe' since it does not make sense in the grand timeline since it was originally geared to be set in a future which did not occur and thus is irrelevant since the '08 series continues within how the world was when it was produced, this the Knight Rider 2000 movie is pretty null and void in this situation as it does not fit into timeline realistically.

I have not yet seen the movie before the '08 series so, sadly, I have no confirmation of what was shown in it, though I had thought this debate had been covered via chat box some time prier and that and that an agreement had been reached, so much for that.

I do know however that the series makes slight waves to the original without cementing it in, thus much of it is up to interpretation. None the less, if you want to look for any means to kill off KI2T then be my damned guess, suppose over an hour of debate over the topic wasn't sufficient and the whole thing had to be dragged up again.

[Jetta Windstar]

I am aware of all this, as much of it was stated in my initial post. However, as we can see from the early footage in the show, KI2T was dismantled in Graiman's garage. Since Graiman built these vehicles, I believe it's safe to say that as of 2005 or so, KI2T is no longer around.

Since I RP KI3T, let me reemphasize that I think it would be a LOT easier if we went with this approach. That way we have one KI3T, and one KARR.[/font]

[Leathurkatt]

The only real reason for this particular thread is for reference regarding what was discussed and confirmed in the CBox to be put accessible to others later since the CBox itself is a very poor archiving record, as you know. This is more "For reference to future players", if any more come. This way they know up front that the discussion has already been done and a final decision has been reached. That's all, it was not meant as a "Let's drag it up and debate it again" thing. All I did was cover a couple bits missed and reiterate in short hand.

Sorry to have upset you, Garnet.

[Catalyst Spark]

So basically the whole previous debate about it and the conclusion came from it before (with old Mike and KI2T retiring and being cameo only, thus non-playable and a non-issue) was, basically, a waste or my time and effort to go through seeing as it seems a second discussion occurred which I was completely excluded from and didn't even find out about until I saw this thread pop up with a big "here's what we decided, your input doesn't matter" sign on it. You know, it would have been nice if someone had at least been kind enough to let me know about it instead of just letting it sit in the forum thread without me being made aware of it. THAT is what has offended me more than anything, because this would have been good information to know to avoid confusion.

----------Part of me is debating deleting this message cause the hostility is from dealing with the real life shit I'm having to deal with right now, but yet the point still stands that it would have been nice to of at least been informed. Guys, please, I'm tired of always being the last to know anything, please keep that in mind with major things like this as I wasn't there when this post was linked in the chat box.---------

[Jetta Windstar]

Katt, it's not your fault, I brought up all these points simply after re-reading the wiki and being reminded of the fact that KI2T was quite obviously dismantled in Graiman's garage.

Personally, I think this is the easier way to handle things, I doubt they would get a new body for KI2T. All though wiki's aren't 100% official, based on what we've seen and know of the series (whether or not we included TKR and KR2000), its safe to say KI2T is gone, and Michael is getting very old now.

My sincere apologies Garnet. I know it seems like I tried to bring up a debate that was already taken care of, however since RP KI3T and began to wonder these things ALL over again, it was definitely necessary. I'm not doing this just because it would be easier on me as an RPer.[/font]